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is an interview conducted by Steve Mosco on the 9/9/99 with the
legendary "Prince Alla". Prince
Alla is a true legend of reggae music with a career spanning 30
years. He has worked with veteran producers such as Joe Gibbs,
Tappa Zukie, and Bertram Brown of Freedom Sounds, spawning a string
of classics like "Rastafari," "Bucket Bottom," "Bozrock," "Stone,"
"Their Reward," "Cities," "Funeral," "Lot's Wife," "King Midas,"
"Daniel," and countless others. A serious, humble and genuine
rastaman, in recent years he has also worked with Jah Shaka, whilst
his classic material has been brought to the attention of a new
audience courtesy of the Blood & Fire reissue
label. A new Prince Alla
album with Jah Warrior is currently in production for release
in Spring 2000...
Q.
Can you start off by telling us when & where were you born?
A. Well I was born in
Greenwich Town, Jamaica, 10th May 1954 and I went to school as
a little youth in Greenwich Town, or Greenwich Farm as its known.
Q.
What was Greenwich Farm like in those days?
A. Well Greenwich Farm
was a nice place you know, 'cos why they really call it a farm
was 'cos plenty cultivation used to be there. People used to plant
up them callalloo, them okro, you know all kinds of things used
to plant there. So they name it Greenwich Farm you know, but people
used to live there. But it was very nice there 'cos it's peaceful
& all you have is singers, cricketers, footballers, you know
them way there, just sports people - nice community you know.
Q.
What was it like growing up there - your childhood?
A. Very nice man. Because
we have the seaside near to us beca' we live right near the beach.
So you know, from I come from school you gone beach & bathe
and Saturday you gone from morning and bathe and feel nice. You
have a little place beside where you have a nice football field
and cricket, everything, very nice place you know. And when I
grow up a peaceful place and everybody love each other in a little
community.
Q.
Is it still the same now?
A. Well after a while
true you know the politics business weh really mash up places
all the while, cah the politics in Jamaica is not really like
the politics in England where people vote for a different party
and talk to one another the same way and drink with each other.
In Jamaica is a different thing beca' the people wasn't taught
the right way, what is politics and how you must live with politics,
and how you must handle politics and know is the government must
be the servant. But in Jamaica
is not that it go, is the government
now is the father and the people is the servant, seen. So they
did teach them to war, one side give one side gun and the next
side give next side gun and them fight each of them in the ghetto,
but them can't go uptown where them live, you know. They have
to stay down in the ghetto with it. So is that how the changes
come in Greenwich Farm, because Greenwich Farm really a ghetto
area, you know. Poor people live there. It's not so bad now, but
sometimes when you have election you find them kind of violence
you know.
Q.
What was your earliest experience of music?
A. My mother used to
love go to Church so she used to carry me to church all the while.
So they used to have concert at the church and from I was about
7 they make I sing "Our father" in church, and the people them
clap and say "yes little youth" you know. And she used to love
sing too, I used to love hear my mother sing, sometimes I haf
fe ask her sing some songs for me. And my father too him love
it because him buy every record, you know.
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Q.
So when did you become aware of the popular music around then? Was
it before ska started?
A. Is really man like
Toots and the Maytals and all them man there. Joe Higgs. And as
a little youth I used to walk over Trench Town, because Trench Town
and Greenwich Town is near you know. One is Kingston 13 and one
is Kingston 12. So me as a little youth used to go over there and
sit down with Joe Higgs and Bob Marley and Alton and listen to them
sing. And sometimes Melodians did go over there and I'd listen to
them sing. So them man there inspire me.
Q. How old were you when
you saw Bob Marley?
A. Them time there...
a small youth going to school you know. About 14, 15.
Q.
When did you first think about singing outside of the church?
A. Well is at school
yu know. Because me is a man when it come to school now, I love
it & ting and the teacher them love me still, but them say
well, me love make noise too much because me love sing all the
while, me gone round the back bench me and me likkle friend and
we start play on the desk and me sing - them way there you know.
So from school me really get involved in it. And when them have
them school holidays I did do a little thing, a little concert,
you know. But when I
get really more involved with
it is with Joe Gibbs now. Because one time he did go to Cuba and
learn to be electrician, and then he come back to Jamaica and
had a girlfriend in Greenwich Farm and I'd see him and me and
him would talk and I'd say mek a studio man, you know so much
about electrics business and can fix things and ting, mek a studio
man. And him say yes man, him a go set up a studio and ting. Then
me said let me do a tune man, and the first tune I did for him,
a tune called
"Sit Down and Cry". Me and
a brother named Milton Henry and one named Soft Palmer, the Palmer
Brothers, the three of us. We did three songs for him.
Q.
What year was that?
A. About 1968, 1969.
Q.
What name did you do that under?
A. We called ourselves
The Leaders. Because we say we're leaders, even though we're some
likkle youths we still call ourselves The Leaders!
Q.
Had you become aware of rasta at that time?
A. You see bredren,
from when I was going to Church I used to hear of so much things
weh was going on in South Africa and dem ting deh. And I said
to myself bwoy, this Jesus weh them show me, he couldn't be God.
He couldn't be a whiteman and the people in South Africa them
do the black people so. You know, from me is a likkle youth. So
all the while me can't believe say God is a whiteman, you know
them way there. So growing up now, one night I vision that I saw
a little short man, a little rasta man, and him waving man, and
when I look at him water come right up to him knee. And him wave
again and pure fish come swim in a it. You see? And him look at
me. And the next day I go over see some rastaman and talk to them
and say bwoy I see a little short man you know. And one of them
show me a picture and say you see that little short man deh? A
him yu see you know. So from them time me start see rasta inna
meself you know.
Q.
After The Leaders, what was the next music you did?
A. I did some songs
now for Tappa Zukie. It was under the name Ras Alla then.
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Q.
You also sang with the Palmer Brothers. I remember a tune called
Bow Down Babylon.
A. Yes, that was harmonies,
is one of the brothers dem lead it. His name is Challa who sing
lead on that song. And sometimes you had Frankie Jones sing lead
too. But most time I sing harmony with them you know, until I sing
my song and them sing harmony with me.
Q.
Did Tappa Zukie discover you or did you find him?
A. Well me know Tappa
Zukie as a little youth still. One day him see me and say bwoy
him like start inna the music cah him know Bunny Lee and Bunny
Lee a talk to him. So I say alright and him came over me yard
and I had my guitar and sing a song for him named Bozrock. And
him say bwoy me love that you know, and me say alright mek we
go a studio and do it you know. We did it up a Lee Perry, Scratch
studio. First he gave it to Yabby You to distribute it in Jamaica.
I don't know
what he did with it in England.
Q.
What was it like working with Tappa Zukie?
A. Ha ha! Ah, well you
see, we haf fe talk the truth you know. Tappa Zukie, him is a
creative person you know. In the studio him come with the horn
section and him seh do this, do that, you know. Is nice working
with him inside the studio, ha ha!
Q.
But outside the studio?
A. No, is not nice!
Ha ha! The truth is the truth. Is not nice my brother.
Q.
At that time you did two versions of one tune, Funeral and Burial,
one was for Tappa Zukie and one was for Joe Gibbs.
A. Well look now. You
see I did one for Tappa Zukie, the Funeral, but him keep onto
it and seh nothing a gwaan and certain tings you know. At that
time I never really knew that song was up here you know. Is a
few years later I did it for Joe Gibbs, because him no give me
nothing so I just do over that tune you know. Tappa Zukie first
put his out on an LP, but a few years later Joe Gibbs put out
his 45 so Tappa Zukie put out his 45 too.
Q.
A lot of people regard your work with Freedom Sounds as the best
years of your career. Did you enjoy your time there?
A. Yeah, you know when
you're a youth you just love the music, from a man say studio,
you just love it. I did love work with Freedom Sounds too. Him
have a vibes too, but again that is inside too. Outside is same
ting too. Like Tappa Zukie.
Q.
Where were the Freedom Sounds tracks recorded?
A. Most of them was
at Tubbys. A few of them at Channel One.
Q.
Were you present when Tubbys was mixing?
A. Yes. Beca' the tune
I Man Saw A Stone, you know... I want show you is a next man was
mixing it, I think it was Scientist and Tubby was round at the
back, beca' him mek amps yu know. And Scientist a mix this tune
and Tubby leave him amps and come and say no, him a mix this tune
here. Seen? And me say yes Tubbs, beca' me would a like hear something
like babylon a mash up, you know. And him say alright and him
go round the back and through him a technician me know him have
some sounds. And first time me hear that. And him say which sound,
and me say that one deh Tubbys! And him say yes and put it in.
Great man.
Q.
What was it like watching him work?
A. Well the man there
did like say hypnotise you, to just watch him. And the sound weh
you a hear. Cah them time there, certain reverb weh you hear with
Tubby, no other sound and no other studio have it. Just him alone.
That's why him was so great.
Q.
What did you do after Freedom Sounds?
A. Well I do a few songs
still. But I tell you the truth, through the way the promoters
really deal with me, I just cool out. Probably is a wrong thing
I do still, but I kinda cool out and easy and start do some different
things. Like go to sea and catch fish and ting and become a fisherman!
Ha ha!
Q.
So you gave up your career and became a fisherman?
A. Yes, all dem tings
deh. Because I wasn't getting nothing. All them songs weh I a
did - Funeral, Bozrock, Bucket Bottom, I wasn't getting nothing
for it. All a the man them tell me, bwoy, nutting a gwaan. You
know that kind of Jamaican slang, that means nothing. Well after
that I meet a man called Steve Barrow. He came to Jamaica and
wanted a deal with me but every time Freedom Sounds want to see
him by himself and don't want to carry me. So one day I stick
out and say no, him
want to see me personally.
So when I see him and him talk to me I tell him bwoy, I don't
get nothing from them songs. So him say alright, I will send your
money to you Prince Alla and the promoter will get his money,
so no more robbery can gwaan. And I say thank you very much me
brother. A good bredren those. Yeah man I was like a rusty pen
weh was lost, and those man a come pick me up and shine me off.
Yeah man, glory, blessed to them man. Honour.
Q.
How long were you away from the music for?
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Q.
What did you think when roots music died in Jamaica in the early
1980's? Was that another thing which put you off?
A. Yes, because most promoters
in Jamaica that time, if you sing "our father" or "bless we", him
no want that, him want jump up & spread out and dem kinda ting
deh. But plenty of them now them haffe start do it again. But I
look on music as a work you know, some man just look 'pon it as
just money - if him can make it inna the slack way him gone, if
he can make it inna the culture him gone. But you know like I and
I a mek records with a certain name like Conscious Sounds or Jah
Warrior... you know say a man hear a name like Jah Warrior him a
listen out for certain things. So the stone that the builder refuse
it come back and turn head corner stone again.
Q. It's very unusual for
a rastaman to have the name Prince Alla. Where did that name come
from. Is it anything to do with Islam?
A. Well I was a man
weh love Cassius Clay. As a likkle youth I used to love see him
box. And when him name Muhammed Ali, my friends used to tease
me now and say see you a love him so much you name Prince Alla.
After a while I realise the name it moslem. But I and I a rasta.
Me respeck any man weh have any form of religion and can live
in peace, but if him can't live in peace me can't respect him
you know.
Q. How did the album you
did with Jah Shaka come about?
A. Well Jah Shaka now
him came to Jamaica and him see me and him start talking and telling
me about some tune. Then him start saying he want me to do some
special for him sound an' ting. So that's how it worked out. Me
just bless who must get blessed.
Q. What do you think of
the reggae business now? Is it in a healthy state or is it standing
still?
A. No it nah stand still.
Cah you know seh reggae music never stand still yet. The music
in Jamaica, it have life you know, although certain man you might
hear say certain slack tings, a just fe a time. Because the same
people who jump up today about the slack ting a the same people
who a curse it tomorrow.
Q. There was a time a few
years ago when nobody was speaking out against the slackness and
the gun talk but it seems more people in Jamaica won't accept
it now.
A. Well really rastaman
all the while are people weh a talk against them ting, you know.
Cah all the time in Jamaica me used to talk against that cah me
no like it cos it bring too much violence. So blessed is the rastaman
cos him stand for certain principle every time. The rastaman always
stand up for the right.
Q. What is life like in
Jamaica at the moment?
A. Life is nice in Jamaica,
is ongle more time in the city and the ghetto you have some likkle
violence with some likkle youth though the system cause them to
suffer. And through them suffer them nah fight the system, them
fight one another. Them nah stand up & demonstrate and say
no, this system can't work. Them prefer fight against them brother
and mek the system strong through killing off one another. That's
how it flourish, cos violence feed the system in Jamaica.
Q. Is there a big split
in Jamaica now between the roots camp and the dance hall camp?
A. No, beca' you have
some singer now weh him a roots singer but fe him song play inna
the dance.... a lot of people like Capleton and Sizzla. When you
originally in deh, dancehall music a really reggae music, but
some man a start talk slackness and some man say cho', that a
dancehall business, but reggae music was the first dance music
weh used to play inna dancehall weh me see my father and my bigger
brother go. Ken Boothe and all them man deh a really dancehall.
Q.
What is the future of reggae as we enter the new millennium?
A. Unlimited, me brethren.
Beca' hear wha' now, the almighty, the father, him have some soldiers
every time. Because some singers & players of instruments
out there, when him ready him just put in a little tap inna them
and the whole world tremble. So reggae music haffe live, beca
jah music, you know. So if some guy want to spoil it him only
beat up himself, beca' Jah a the teacher fe reggae music. Bob
and Peter and all them man deh, Bunny Wailer, them all come prove
it. So we can
sing a culture and teach people
in a reggae music. It can't die me bredren, nothing can kill it.
The real reggae music, our music.
Q.
What do you think about the reggae scene in England since you've
been here for the past few months?
A. Well me really like
it you know. You know why? I go to some of the raving them and
it's like when I was a little youth, man a hold a woman and dance.
Loving. I like that vibes, because in a Jamaica it hard to find
that you know, mostly you have to go a little party to find that.
But most dancehalls now, through the type of tune them a play
now, the girl dem a over there and a gwaan some way and the man
dem a over there and a gwaan same way and a look.... - you know
dem way there.
You know through the tune a
say my gun bigger than your gun... that's why you have more violence
now. If a man a go and talk to a woman him haffe watch himself
in case a next man have a gun or a knife or something.
Q.
What do you think people in Jamaica would think about the reggae
being made in England now? Would they like it or not?
A. Yeah man, they would
a like it. Beca' you know why some people in Jamaica like the
dirty music? Beca' the radio dj play it every day... If them hear
every day "fire shot, fire shot, fire shot" - one day as a little
youth him a go fire shot. So weh them hear them like. So if they
did hear certain conscious music like you have plenty conscious
music in England they would like it same way.
Q.
Out of all your songs which is your favourite?
A. That's hard - I'd
have to say the song which really touch me the most when I listen
to it and when I was making it is Man From Bozrock. Certain tune
when you're making it, it comes like it fly away you know, like
you gone in a different world, you know them way there.
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Q.
Sometimes when you're in the studio here vibesing and also on stage
you look as though you're in a trance. Can you describe the feeling
when you're in that state.
A. I don't know. Is a
feeling inside of you. I don't want use the word. Like how Jamaican
people say duppy business. But you know how a man say him raise
like. It's certain feelings a go in you - like current you know.
More time I go up on the stage, them feelings just come to me you
know. Me can't explain it and say mek it come now, it just comes
when it's ready and goes when it's ready.
Q.
What is the future for Prince Alla - your aims and ambitions?
A. Well my aim is really
for everyone to live in love and unity. And my aim is to sit down
and talk to the father and say put some word in me that when it
come out the whole of your children can just harken to it. And
my ambition is to go a Jamaica and set up something in Greenwich
Farm. Set up a studio and them ting there. Although I don't know
how it a go work, but a just my aim, you know. Cos Greenwich Farm
could do with a clinic and nuff little things me bredren. But
is the father still. If the father say a me must do it then him
a go do it still. Is that me would a like, cos Greenwich Farm
is a place me love. Is like say from me leave the hospital where
me a born is there weh my mother carry me and I just grow up there
you know. Nice. I never fight no one there. Everyone just love
there. Yes man.
Respect.
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